I can see why you are outraged - but in comparison to some very real game mechanics hosed by the 1.1 patch (ie wardec system) this is just small beer. Probably best to file it under "lol I invested in aurum/Nex and got taken to the cleaners" and move on with your life tbh.

Wow, do you react like this with every price change in your life? How do you ever go shopping ?

So what you're saying is, that investing in virtual goods owned by a corporation you have no control over might not be a wise move. I can see why you're upset and hope CCP doesn't make a habit of making special edition items common, but I just can't get that upset with you over a shirt especially, since the shirt was a bonus gift given on top of a normal purchase of a PLEX packet.

I would suck it up. Not like theres anything I could do about it, and the dealership wouldn't be obliged to do anything, so why bother ranting?

Funny how it wasn't obvious for you that this will happen.

Do you also go into a shop for computer parts,
buy the new and overpriced stuff
and then complain a month later because it's worth only half anymore ?

*shakeshead*

You are not special. You never were.
You have the same value as everybody else. None.

You bought it for reasons you probably don't even understand yourself
and now you're complaining about not being part of a small "special" group anymore.


RealityCheck:

You never were special.
You never will be special.

You didn't even see it coming.
You fell for the oldest trick in the book.


It was obvious.




Blame yourself.

It was only obtainable via the special off.....at the time.

It's like when a new movie comes out & it's stated to only be available at cinemas/theaters.

A few months later the DVD comes out.


Or, another recent trend in gaming, when you get special in game items/perks etc for purchasing the collectors edition, then said items are made available later on for MT.

GǪsays the guy who confuses a free promotional item with the actual good being bought in his car-buying analogy.

Bullcrap.

Not only am i not an american, i wasn't talking about economics at all.


It's not about the money.

It's about the item and the loss of it's rareness.


You're from the US ? That would be fitting.

Singled out the most important part. Yes, people take it for granted. That is no ones fault but their own. CCP may reissue the other ships etc at a later time. They may not. Last I checked the ships from this christmas just gone were reissued ones themselves, correct?

I don't think I'd spend $230 on a t-shirt even in real life.

They both wind up the same place. Seems it just takes longer for internet shirts.

Yes, some people think clearly.

Feel free to Occupy This Thread! and demand two more free shirts for the other avatars on your account.

I think it's funny.

Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too...

hahahaha get owned

Read that with attention folks, he didn't bough the Plex, he bought the digital shirt.

The Plex was not worth the cash?
EDIT: I'm confused.

I like all your personal insults have something to do with school.

Can you characterize me as a "dirty drunk sorority ****" next?

It went on sale later, it happens IRL in almost all cases as the newer stuff comes out the old goes on sale.

Mass production sets in and prices drop, the $100,000 status symbols of today are the Walmart specials of tomorrow.

/thread

But you still got the PLEX. They are worth the same in terms of game time wich is what they are meant for.
And if you paid for exclusivity you had it, for 6 months. I personally don't understand this logic since we are far into the industrial age. No matter what anyone says, no product is unique, even less a digital product.

You spent around 200$ on a virtual t-shirt and got taken out behind the woodshed. I fail to see the problem here.

Exactly. You valued it enough to spend 13 PLEX on it so that you could have a "unique" item (with no guarantee of its continued uniqueness) for as long as the Eve Online servers were running. At no time did they explicitly state that it would always cost that much (note: if they did, I apologize, and you should raise hell, but you seem to have no proof of this). Clearly, you valued that shirt at around 200$ using the information you were given at the time. Price drops happen all the time on all sorts of item, and anyone with an IQ above that of your average bacteria knew that prices on most gear would eventually drop. Therefore, there is no problem here, and this thread sucks.

I don't think CCP knew they would have to sell it cheap. Their intended consumers refuse to buy any digital item that costed more than material items so they had to change. Maybe you should reconsider your values. Now THAT is not simple, but people do it all the time.

It has everything to do with your issue because it's exactly what happened: the item in question is susceptible to market forces, in particular a change in supplies and availability.

And it was. It still is. So far, it's the only time that shirt has been offered for free with a PLEX bundle. Now, there's a new offer where you actually have to pay for the item itself.

Again, you're complaining that your free novelty key chain is also available at the store and spending money on a product just to get the side-offers is just as foolish as it has been for the last, oh, 150 years or so.

I realize many people out there don't see things this way, but here is my take on the situation.

Even though I was directly effected by last night's price drops I am still happy with the new pricing. My philosophy is to not spend more on an item than what you believe it is worth to you. For me that bar is set pretty high for apparel items, although not as high as CCP's original AUR prices. My personal opinion is in general it is dangerous to buy something based off of perceived rareness and potential value and you shouldn't buy something that you feel is overpriced.

Given that theory I do not feel like the money I spent on the Executor Red/Gold or the re-issued shoes was a waste, since I intend on keeping them and did not mind spending the money to get them. On the other hand I bought the ten new apparel items released today for the same price as my Executor once cost. Had CCP released the new items at 3000-4000 AUR each there would have been no way I could have bought the complete set.

I do think that it would have been a bit wiser for CCP to release a new color (like the Quafe shirt, which I don't think would have been difficult) which would have also increased the available inventory, and keep people from getting upset.

I suppose that there is the other side of the coin with the I have something you will never have mentality, but I personally never cared for the divide between the haves and the have nots. I like to buy things that I like, instead of buying things that are rare and cost a ton, although there is sadly often a correlation between the two. That 500m ISK coat is still worth 500m, and if that isn't true to others perhaps they shouldn't have spent that much for it.

Once upon a time there was a British car manufacturer that went by the name of Jaquar. One dark day the evil car manufacturer Ford purchased Jaquar, and in a mighty uproar thousands of loyal Jaquar owners all cried at once "this is unexceptable! Our lovely overpriced luxury cars won't be worth anything because ford is going to produce a cheaper model car under the Jaquar name!"

Ford did.

The rest of the world could care less; very much like the OP's problem.

Once upon a time there was a British car manufacturer that went by the name of Jaquar. One dark day the evil car manufacturer Ford purchased Jaquar, and in a mighty uproar thousands of loyal Jaquar owners all cried at once "this is unexceptable! Our lovely overpriced luxury cars won't be worth anything because ford is going to produce a cheaper model car under the Jaquar name!"

Ford did.

The rest of the world could care less; very much like the OP's problem.

Actually, it was rare and free before. It didn't cost any AUR and as such, no AUR should (or indeed could) be reimbursed.

I once bought an item for $70, only to find out that the price dropped to $55 the next day. The retailer wouldn't refund me $15 so I returned the item for a refund and ordered another one. I got what I wanted and the retailer lost more money on shipping.

So, OP, from your own post said shirt was worth 1.2b. You could therefore have acquired it for 3 plex, with some isk left over.

Either

- You actually kind of wanted 13 plex anyway, which shoots down your own argument of "I only bought them for the shirt"

or

- You failed at economics lesson 1

This point is unrelated to the other valid points already presented relating to whining about the free toy that came in your cereal when all you paid for was cereal.

Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.

We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Portifino line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Portifino cigars (value $90.00) for only $79.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase.

6 months later...

We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Petite line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Petite cigars (value $75.00) for only $59.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase.

1 year later...

Due to demand we are pleased to annouce that our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighter emblazoned with the Macanudo logo will now be available for purchase at your local tobacco shop for $14.95.

None of this is unfactual advertising, and is legitimately done every day in just about every industry you can name. Any claims made that they should not be allowed to include their Special Edition lighter (that they often use to sweeten introductory offers) in more than one advertising campaign, or eventually for seperate sale, would be laughed at.

The lighter isn't the "one time offer", it is the sale price on that particular item along with their branded lighter being thrown in addtionally that is the "one time offer".

They could easily run that same offer with as many different lines of their cigars as they like, or on the same line but with a different item (say a branded cigar cutter) thrown in instead.

By the same token, they can sell as many of their Special Edition lighters as they wish. The fact that they have a unique color or logo on them is what makes them a Special Edition, not a limit on how many are going to be made or sold via various methods.

This is exactly the same type of offer that was made that included the shirts in question.

At some point you have to take responsibility as a consumer to actually read what an offer is saying before you accept it.

No, it's in fact entirely true. You got exactly what you paid for, and you got a freebie thrown in just for fun. You are now crying that what you got for free is available to others as a much higher price than you paid for it.

There was nothing deceptive or ambiguous about it: the offer was a one-time deal GÇö you have not been able to buy 13 PLEX and get that shirt for free ever since. The availability of the shirt through other means does not retroactively change the nature of that offer or make the wording false. For that to happen, they'd have to reintroduce the exact same offer (13 PLEX + the same shirt) again.

GǪand even then, you'd still be complaining about how other people have to pay more for something you got for nothing.

UhmGǪ yes it pretty much does. CCP uses the same freebie-with-purchase scheme as everyone else. Assuming that it will work like every other freebie-with-purchase scheme seems rather natural, so the normal assumption would be that they would do it the same way.

This

were you one of those who bought the iPhone in 2007 for $600 only to see it go down to $400 two weeks later

Risk? What RISK did you take? You paid for 13 PLEX and got 13 PLEX. You also got an additional item FOR FREE. You are crying because CCP didn't protect the exclusivity of your FREE ITEM in perpetuity, so that you could later milk some sap for a few billion ISK profit.

Boo-farking-hoo to you. Stop being a baby. You lost NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING.

Nothing cryptic about it, Limited OFFER, not limited ITEM

OP underlined and bolded some stuff. must be important

What boggles the mind is why you'd even bother to begin with, when you knew someone would sell it on the market and you could just buy it for ISK anyway.

It's your own fault for reading into advertising what wasn't there. Not even implied. Stop crying.

The only reason that Warcraft and Starcraft got successfull was because they got 2 great base games to built upon.

(Warhammer and Warhammer 40k for those wondering....)

Haha, CCP not only stole your money, but also trolled you something rotten!


I hope this serves as a lesson for the future.

I see your first mistake there.

This puts it into perspective and makes it even funnier.

The devs are too busy laughing at this complaint to type anything coherent.

you got owned son because you are a goddamned idiot

unfortunately, the devs probably aren't supposed to be explicit about that

you gotta admit, The Mittani has made some pretty decent financial decisions compared to you considering that he's, well, set for life at 30

So as long as it was profitable to you, everything was fine? And once that changed it was suddenly not ok?

Also, the limited offer referred to the cheap PLEX and not the shirt (which you got for free) which is why people here do not understand your complaint. Now, if the offer had said that you would be getting a one off shirt that was only ever going to be available by taking advantage of that particular promotion, then you would have cause for complaint. As it stands your arguments and complaints are invalid.

How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong.

no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants

i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week

Why are you copy pasting a reply to a previous poster instead of reading what I wrote and responding accordingly? The error was yours, not CCP's. No-one has deprived you, deceived you or falsely advertised anything. The advert was quite clear, the shirt was a freebie and the offer was for the reduced price on the PLEX.

Also, please respond to the section of your post that I quoted and made a statement about. Thank you.

just because you don't understand why this is shameful doesn't mean the rest of us don't

Which simply means he has read either this or the feed back thread.

I suppose they could refund the 500 AUR price to you as a gesture of good will.

Again, a one time offer to get a special price on PLEX and an additional Special Edition shirt with purchase is one thing.

A one time offer to aquire a Special Edition shirt is quite another.

where's the chorus of affected players, then

The only value CCP has ever assigned those items is 500 AUR (or is it lower, I forget).

The price other players put on those items is not something CCP controls nor should be held accountable for.

If they had specifically stated the item would never be offered again, I would most certainly be on your side in this.

But they did not.

You realize that there are only 2 or 3 people in that entire thread complaining right?

It was pretty crystal clear from the get-go: you got a free shirt.

If you overvalued your free shirt, then that's your problem, not CCP's.

GǪwhere they weren't listed in either the NeX or the market over here. Now, I'll grant you that, considering what a piece of useless tat the NeX is (and considering that it has done this on multiple occasions before), it simply didn't show up unless you did the correct rubber-chicken-wave dance, but there's a reason why I asked what the item was actually called a dozen pages back: because I wasn't seeing it.

Not as in "no items available" GÇö I mean as in "not listed in the clothing section". If there has been a new patch since yesterday, I suppose I could update and see if anything has changed (not that it really matters as far as the OP's core complaint goes).

So waitGǪ is that an argument for or against this kind of promotion? Anyway, the good news is that they weren't playing any word games to begin with. They were making a standard one-time special offer: 13 PLEX + shirt, and you got exactly that. You just got suckered in the same way people get suckered by those Gǣfree with purchaseGǥ offers you see everywhere in modern society.

The effect it has on future promotions is nil (unless, at some point, they offer a genuine GÇ£limited editionGÇ¥ and make it unlimited, but that's not what we're talking about here).

Wow.

It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument.

Let's count all the times CCP has done that after altering something that an investor lost money on, shall we?

If you bought 13 PLEX just to obtain a shirt... then you sir, are an absolute moron. I am hoping that you bought the 13 PLEX for the 13 PLEX and the shirt was just a bonus. Looking at your whinging for the past 18 pages though, I am now quite certain you were after the interweb shirt .

It's like every other marketing strategy out there: buy one, get one free; for a limited time only you also get this; call within the next 30 minutes and we'll throw in this piece of junk for free. It's called MARKETING and one thing CCP can always bank on is stupidity of people, no matter what the market share is.

So, why should CCP not take advantage of peoples stupidity and capitalise on it? People do it all the time, everywhere, in every way.

The funny thing is though, that you didn't even get ripped off. You just imagined that this was a special, one-time item. In fact, it was a one-time offer GÇô [b]referring to the 13 PLEX + shirt[b]. The "one-time" or "limited" had no relevance to the future availability of either PLEX or the shirt itself. You just imagined that part and are now calling it "word play" because your realised your stupidity in believing that this was a limited edition item, when it was never advertised as such.

If anything CCP should continue marketing in such a way because I am positive that there will always be lowest denominators in society that will do exactly what you have done and CCP will, and rightfully should, profit from it. Others will purchase the same shirt and sell it after a week to get even more profit out of it, because they were smart enough to realise that with ongoing upgrades and developments of the NEX store, any vanity item will become available and their value will drop.

I truly hope you donGÇÖt handle your own finances.

Well, seeing as the shirt in question is removed from the NeX Store, CCP still bends backwards for whiny bitches like OP....

If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others.

I hate you for being a rich spoiled brat idiot that went to a college paid for by daddy, The Antiquarian, but I have to agree with that last one you said.

CURSE ME AND MY NEUTRALITY.

I should be a judge. >.>

Nope!

I don't think you fully understand what 'disenfranchised' means. I think you may have to return to this hallowed community college of yours.

As a side note, I think that it's rather laughable you got upset through the re-organisation of this fairyland item. I additionally think it's amusing that you're asking for a replacement rare item to 'compensate'. The bottom line is that you bought this t-shirt and it was delivered as stated by CCP. Did you ever say 'It's too tight', or 'It doesn't match with my second-rate Star Trek wizard cloak'? No? Fit for purpose then.

I am working with Torfi to resolve this situation for everyone as quickly as possible. As this affects several hundred pilots we want to make sure that we are doing it right and as fairly to everyone as possible.

There are two different scenarios here and the issue of the Ishukone shirt and Executor coat are different. I will explain why:

Ishukone Sterling Shirt - Issued over a very specific time frame. This item should only be valid for pilots who participated in the PLEX offer which happened in October 2011.

Women's Executor Coat -Part of the Russian Collectors edition which is still in circulation. While still a rare item, there will be more added to the game naturally as more people pick up a copy of the Russian box.

I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours.

Nice to see a resolution to this in the works.

But let's face it. It was a massive screw up and needs to be prevented in the future.

The fix is as simple as putting a flag on unique items so that when things are shunted from one department to another there will not be any accidental additions to the NeX store. If this had been done, Torfi would have seen it and known not to add these items to the Exchange.

Mr Epeen

Any news on this topic?

They were taken off the market, holy crap the whining. Your 'investment' was never guaranteed, enjoy your losses.

They were taken off the market, holy crap the whining. Your 'investment' was never guaranteed, enjoy your losses.

How is this a threadnought.

It's not that hard to understand,ccp made x amount of t-shirts to go.with the promotion. The promotion number was not reached so ccp had surplus stock left. In oder to get rid of the stock they sell it of at a discount.

There is not a shop in the world that would not and has not done this.

CCP only failing was to not set a proper discount price on the original offer to insure that all promotional items were snapped up.

Marketing Malpractice to me is having the Amarr shirt in the EVE store cheaper than the other race's shirts (Though I get it, it is made by slaves).

Also, I didn't see an Amarr shot glass, whereas Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar have ones. How am I supposed to get a full set? Those Amarrian prudes don't like booze?

Probably the weekend is the reason :)

CCP Navigator I hope you realize you will make many more customers happy by driving The Antiquarian bonkers than by humoring him.

a reasonable expectation requires a reasonable person

a reasonable person does not spend $300 on virtual shirts

ergo it is impossible for there to be a reasonable expectation re: a $300 virtual shirt you purchased

the very point of the definition of a reasonable person is to exclude people who make bad choices

sorry, but you make bad choices

Almost a week and still no response, CCP troll is best troll.

Ya know, if they made clothing optional we probably wouldn't even be having this thread.

They should just give the original recipients of the shirt a provokingly large belt buckle, some really tight pants or at least a pimp cup to hold all their tears in. After all whats a shirt without the rest of the outfit?

They can't even remember to reply to this thread.

What's the chances they're going to remember about a shirt a year later.

You've seen goon personalities in this thread, now imagine one of them pulling the strings.

Please, keep us updated on CCP's response, OP.

I'm sure any piece of clothing that can't be attained through other channels would be considered fair compromise. Even a simple change in colors would make it unique. Maybe a shirt that says "Oops" would be nice as well. I think the issue is more to get something unique (limited), a collectible so to speak. What exactly matters less.

Right?

Take the hint.

Making fun of your idiocy is a valuable use of my time.

the antiquarian, fresh off another round of humiliating himself, pulls out the "im rich irl so clearly i can't be as dumb as anyone who can read has concluded" card again

like before, it is made out of crayon and has stains from juice spills on it

I'm afraid that my tax returns requires reading comprehension in excess of that of an advertisement, therefore you would be unable to read or comprehend it, sorry.

i am also ceo of all big four accounting firms and we have all disowned you

GǪyou're giving us a much better understanding of why Enron and WoldCom happened.

i have decreed they do, in my latest completely plausible claim

Yeah, no.

I'm just calling you incompetent and clueless about basic economics and finance, what with having worked at an accounting firm and all.

I'm a poor chum from the 99% and I still agree that there should be collectibles in Eve.

Even if I have none myself whatsoever.

All this E-peen sure is bumping this thread, it's also derailing it though.

Been there done that. Lemme spoil the ending for you. You ain't getting anything.

How am I wrong?
Where do I claim to know more than the CCP devs?

The fact remains: he got something for free and he's pissed that others had to pay more for it.

We still don't have anything.

They keep all the ISK at the Evetel California.

Not really, no. They don't even mention anything related to it.

The reason I keep repeating myself is because you can't come up with a good answer or argument to the opposite: you got something for free that others had to pay for, and you seem to be upset that your free novelty keychain was available in the stores. Why should you be compensated for them having to pay more than you did?

Or, if you like: how am I wrong? Where do I claim to know more than the CCP devs?

Fair would be the removal of Aurum from EVE. Just sayin'.

I still find it funny this thread is going. Especially when 'The Antiquarian' isn't even wearing the shirt he has been bitching about for the last 26 pages.

GǪand thus repeat the failure to prove me wrong.

The fact remains: you got something for free. You're bitching about how others could pay for it. You are angry that your free novelty key chain was available in the store. Also, the question remains: why should you be compensated for something you got for free?

That explains why you are so utterly and completely unable to provide anything remotely resembling a logical argument for your case.

GǪaside from it having nothing but harm to the game. It was never actually finished; the NeX is still in pre-alpha; it still steals gameplay away from the game; its initial release was bungled and cost the the company a tenth of their subscribers; and here we are GÇö the second attempt to roll out stuff for it GÇö and they bungled that as well and caused you to blow a fuse over stuff you got for free.

Oh dear. Don't tell me you don't understand how PLEX works. Pleeease.
Yes, it's very sustainable in the long run because accounts maintained through PLEX Gǣfor freeGǥ makes CCP more money than if they were paid for with subscriptions. They're a bit more complicated from an accounting standpoint since all those outstanding services not rendered might look strange on the balance sheet, but that's about itGǪ

GǪand then you wonder why we doubt your economical and financial knowledge.

Nope. Largely because you haven't read what my assessment isGǪ

this thread hasn't been locked yet, I'd say that's more than fair

GǪand the question remains: why should you be compensated for something that you got for free?

Would you like a copy of the Pax Ammarria? It was free too, so that seems reasonable.

GǪand miraculously, you've managed to explain the cause of your problem to yourself.
Of course, you're lying and just have problems coming up with a sensible answer, but stillGǪ

yeah i am sort of stumped at this point because every time i think he couldn't embarrass himself more he goes and does it

I really see no need for personal insults here. If you cannot be civil, then perhaps you should use the very handy little block function that CCP have given us so that you do not have to see certain people posting. At the rate you are going this thread will be locked and you will end up getting a warning, I'm pretty certain that will not help anyone.

If their language concerns you, then use the report function. Resorting to verbal abuse and baseless insults just because others choose to is a poor excuse sir. You have other lines of communication to CCP open to you, and yet you choose to continue posting in a thread where you know people will attempt to goad you into an argument.

It could be said that you were doing so on purpose, and thus any future complaint you might make regarding the behaviour of other posters would be void. Do yourself a favour, either block those people whose opinions or words cause you distress or report them to CCP.

As for making demands, perhaps you should make requests instead, that way people might be less inclined to ignore you. Having worked in customer services in varying positions and in many different sectors of business, I personally would be much less likely to help someone who behaved in the manner you are displaying here.

grats on your 15 minutes of fame

GǪand the question remains: why should they expect any kind of compensation for an item that they received for free?

The fair thing to do would be to let the suckers who bought it for AUR have their AUR back and keep the shirt so everyone paid the same price for it.

CCP aren't required to gaurantee the value of your speculations. Get over it.

Thanks for reminding us that that post exists.

He also stated in that same post:

I might politely mention that "later today" is long past and we have yet to hear anything. This is the concern that the non trolls have been trying to get an answer to.

Would you be so kind as to supply us with the reason we have not heard anything?

Mr Epeen

You keep admitting that it's an investment.

Sometimes you can lose money on investments, especially when they have nothing but numismatic value.

I'd be happily fitting them to my ship, because I wasn't silly enough to make an investment into a commodity with nothing aside from its numismatic value.

You lost money on an Investment. You thought you were going to make money on it. You lost out on an investment. That happens, and that's why it's an investment.

He probably didn't forget it. He just wouldn't do it. After all, why would he?

Where did he claim anything of the kind?

Yes. Why wouldn't I? Estamels for 66M GÇö cheap enough to fit on just about anything that is worth protecting (and which, with Estamels, will now be very well protected) GÇö what's not to like?

GǪwhich would make it completely unlike what is going on here, so that's a red herring.

She didn't say "unlikely" she said "unlike"

This item was given away for free. The market price for it stabilized at some value due to whatever.

The correct analogy would be if the Government gave people a Pony for free if they did some other action, then started selling Ponies to other people for a nickel.

If, between those times, you bought a pony for something more than a nickel, you lost at your investment. Too bad, so sad.

It's not similar because no-one had you do anything. You chose to take the risk of your own volition. As such, while I can answer the question, it is of no relevance to the topic at hand.

Where is the strawman? Where is the deflection? What am I denying?

Why can't you show where I'm telling the OP and the devs that they are wrong?

Actually, you are essentially saying that because you insist on calling it an investment. Investments occasionally fail to generate a return (or even pay themselves back), you knowGǪ

Why would they?
They either got it for free, or they got what they paid for, or they gambled and lost.

How is it a troll to explain the basic risk of the GÇ£investmentGÇ¥ the OP made? How does what the devs said in any way affect the fact that the OP made the decision to take that risk?

You can quote the devs as much as you like, but just like with my question (that neither of you have been able to answer), it doesn't actually address the point being made.

Couldn't be more wrong here, because I actually like EVE for other reasons than the stuff I have in it. The nature of EVE is what keeps me here. So long as I've got a shiny new ibis and a golden mining laser of hope, I'm good. The sandbox is mine.

Losing is all part of the fun, and often times even more fun than winning when there's a great story attached.

The difference is that your collection is completely untouched, as is, by and large, you GÇ£professionGÇ¥.

You still have your item. It still performs the exact same function. As such, it is completely unlike the incomparables you listed GÇö the nerfed cruisers or removed standings or removed meta-functionality are all just that: removed functionality. Your shirt remains functionally identical and hasn't been changed in the slightest.

Yes, you could argue that its value changed, but then you're talking as a speculator, in which case I have to inform you that this is an insignificantly minute change compared to the vast speculation losses that have been caused by CCP's game changes over the years (cf. the dysproGåÆtech bottleneck changeover; the PI changes; any mineral adjustment ever made; hell, pretty much any adjustment ever to a set of raw materials).

So that's why we continuously arrive back at that same old question: why should they compensate you for something you got for free? If you're a collector, nothing is lost. If you're a speculator, then that's the name of the game GÇö better luck next time.

Internet Space shirts is serious business.

I am working with Torfi to resolve this situation for everyone as quickly as possible. As this affects several hundred pilots we want to make sure that we are doing it right and as fairly to everyone as possible.

There are two different scenarios here and the issue of the Ishukone shirt and Executor coat are different. I will explain why:

Ishukone Sterling Shirt - Issued over a very specific time frame. This item should only be valid for pilots who participated in the PLEX offer which happened in October 2011.

Women's Executor Coat -Part of the Russian Collectors edition which is still in circulation. While still a rare item, there will be more added to the game naturally as more people pick up a copy of the Russian box.

I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours.

******* nerd

If im honest i could be bothered to read through all fo the posts here but i think this one pretty much sums up a perfect response and its done on the front page. Your upset over a virtual shirt, that was given away as a free gift, for buying something else you got use out of. Get over it.

"Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."

There must be some medical term for people who continue to talk to people who are, in no uncertain terms, not listening to them.

Mr Epeen

Keep waiting.

I for the most part posted off topic, substantial threads. Just because they were locked claiming "Spam" doesn't mean they fit that definition. They were against the rules, sure, but they weren't Spam

And CCP seems to have taken us seriously. So it seems to have worked.


Anyway, this is off topic (like most of the OP's recent posts).

OP: What is the appropriate recompense for something given away for free?

Given the response time for most petitions, waiting a week and a half for a response is about par, you should be more patient.

Ok, so here is the much delayed update. I am sorry that this has taken so long but we needed to run through a seriously complicated process to track down each unique shirt issued before June 25.

So here are the steps that will happen over the next few days to finalize this issue:

1, We will issue the following people a 'Mens Field Marshall Coat':

* Those players who took the PLEX offer in October and kept their shirt based on its exclusivity.
* Players who bought the shirt from an original owner on the basis that it would be an exclusive item. Again, if the owner sold it on then the person who ultimately ended up with the shirt based on owning an exclusive item.

if you received the shirt and sold it or traded for a profit you will not receive this new item.

2, We are updating the item description for this jacket and this will be deployed in the next day or two. Once that deployment takes place we will redeem the item to all relevant account holders. Once this happens i will update the thread letting you know that the item is ready to be redeemed.

There are some edge cases involved with this of players who may have their shirt stored in secure containers or containers in space. These players will need to submit a petition to verify ownership.

It is difficult to give the perfect resolution in cases of this nature and we feel that this resolution benefits the greater number.

Thank you for your patience during this time.

Still lots to be answered

Does that keep you up at night?

Wow, some people need to learn to not look a gift horse in the mouth. You're lucky CCP is doing anything for you since your entire claim on this is sketchy. CCP doesn't owe you anything because the perceived value in a digital economy of a marketing promotion tanked.

So, did you not get the Plexes that came with your $300 T-Shirt?

One time offer means exactly that. The Offer is only available at that time. They didn't say "One Time Item."

You're complaining about a McDonalds re-release of a Happy Meal toy.

What interest does McDonalds have in the secondary market? McDonalds may not re-release toys, but that's because at the scale they operate, the R&D money to create a new set rounds down to 0 (and offers the advantage of selling promotional rights. $$). Neither of those apply to CCP (which has a long history of re-releasing the free tchotchkes they give away).

You're still complaining about a free tchotchke given to you with an otherwise unrelated purchase. You got the Plex, you got a screaming deal on the Plex, and you got the exclusive use of a free tchotchke. You still have the tchotchke.

Actually, that honor falls to the OP, who read mountains of meaning where none existed.

Have the items been added yet? I haven't had any redeemable items, but then I'm one of those people with the shirt in a container.

I also want recompense for my Apotheosis being devalued. Also my Primae, and all the other One Time offers that have been reissued.

There it is.

Click devblog, read devblog, remove foot from mouth.

Clearly what's good for Tech doesn't apply to Space Barbie.

Perhaps you could teach a course on reading source documents and deciphering advertising.

I hpe this thread is still going in a year, with the OP making plaintive "57 weeks and still waiting, CCP Navigator!" posts.

I for one hope that the OP continue to do blunders like this and rage about his inability to connect the dots on this forum.

When your done with this and rage quit, can I have your stuff?
I think id look pretty good in your now very common T-shirt.

And I suggest you give it a rest about a virtual T-shirt that you bought with real money and figured you could speculate on, even if it was mistakenly placed on the market.

nobody wants this thread to die the antiquarian's temper tantrums and attempts to pretend to be wealthy are one of the funniest things on eve-o in a long time

"this ordeal" laffo

The Shirt cost nothing. You got a discount on the PLEX, so really CCP paid you to take the shirt. But we'll round the price of the shirt up to Free for the sake of argument.

CCP then made that Free item available for much more than its initial price of Free. This made you angry because you got something that other people will now have to pay for for Free...

Anybody not smart enough to drop $900 on 3 pixel shirts is dumb and doesn't understand basic finance.

Why does the OP have two blocks of butter on his shoulders? LOL that's stupid.

Actually now that she mentions it it does look like you got a lot of butter on your shirt.

Or maybe even margarine, the fake butter. Yeah, fake butter would definitely look a lot better on a fake shirt. Look CCP I could design fashion for you too!

The only person trolling here is you with your laughable concerns. I on the other hand simply made a relevant observation.

Just let it be a sour lesson that you paid $230 for dressing your (actually theirs) toon in their property and HTFU.

Ok so this issue with the Nex shirt will be resolved in the next release. Summer in CCP is when a lot of staff take vacation so finding the right people to finalize this issue takes more time than normal. To make this clear and unambiguous, this post is likely to be long.

History of the Nex shirt

So we had a special PLEX bundle in October 2011 which offered an GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ as part of the package. Since disclosing how many of these bundles we sell is not company policy, I will simply say it was GÇÿseveral hundred playersGÇÖ who took up this offer. At this stage I will also address that a second offer was released with the Russian CollectorGÇÖs edition which offered a special jacket. These two cases are different and will be addressed separately later on.

Inferno 1.1

With the Inferno 1.1 release we added multiple new items to the Nex store and the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ was added in error. Once again, GÇÿseveral hundred playersGÇÖ bought the shirt which was meant to be an exclusive item. Once it came to our attention that the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ was added by accident, we disabled the sale of this item while we decided what to do.

Replacement item

Team Avatar, the team responsible for all Nex store items, decided to create a new item called the GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ (please note that this is a brand new item and not currently listed in the Nex store) and would award this to the pilots who should have had the original exclusive GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ. Deciding who should get the shirt was a difficult task as not all shirts remained with the original owner. It was decided that the GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ would be awarded as follows:

If I was a player who took up the PLEX offer, or multiple instances of the PLEX offer, and retained the original GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ, I will automatically receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ on all accounts that purchased it or will receive multiple coats if purchased over multiple accounts. Therefore, if I bought 3 x PLEX offer I will receive three GÇÿField Marshall CoatsGÇÖ

If I was a player who took up the PLEX offer and sold the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ to Player B, Player B will receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ

If I was Player B who sold the shirt on again to Player c, Player C will receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ

And so on until the shirt is with the player who deserves to own it. The basis of this decision is that, if you sold your GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ, then you cashed out and the player buying it has invested in that exclusivity instead.

Deployment of replacement item

The new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ has had a new item description added from the content team and requires a deployment cycle before it can be issued. The next deployment cycle is Wednesday, August 8 for Inferno 1.2 and the coat will be assigned to the redeeming system of the pilots in question. If you feel you should have got a coat and one was not assigned, you will need to submit a petition for a Game Master to investigate. Once this deployment is complete, we will sell the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ in the store as normal. It will cease to be an exclusive item.

Russian CollectorGÇÖs Edition

There will be no change to the Russian CollectorGÇÖs Edition jacket as there are currently in excess of 3,000 box copies in circulation. This item was a giveaway with that box and many more will come in to circulation as players pick up that box set. The number of additional jackets sold before we removed them from the Nex store was exceptionally low and there is no logical or easy way to make this item more exclusive. It simply will have more jackets added over time and that is by design.


I sincerely hope that this clears up the matter. Many members of Team Avatar are still on vacation so if there are any questions it may take some time until they get answered

Yes, that has already taken place.

How the f@*k is the thread 32 pages long.

CCP made a t-shirt as part of a plex offer. They made to many and not enough people took up the offer.

In order to get rid of stock taking up space. They discount id get rid. Nit that hard to figure out.shops do it all the time.

Got to a music shop and you will see the cd/ DVD you paid 10.99 for on.sale for half that a few months later.

Why


Same as above. They have to make room for new stock they can sell at a higher mark up.


I've actually lost some respect for ccp , for giving into you winggy turds.

According to the previous post from CCP Navigator:

The changes were deployed as planned so all those eligible for the replacement Field Marshall Coat should be able to redeem it. If you think you should be eligible but haven't received anything then please post here and raise a GM petition.

Edit: The Ishukone Shirt will make it onto the store once we've made sure all those who are eligible to get the replacement item get one. The deployment mentioned in the quote is that of the replacement item not the latest version of EVE.

I likewise did not receive what I was supposed to. I wonder if this was a miscalculation. I had some Ishukone's from before the mistake patch, which I have kept untouched. I also purchased two during the mistake patch deployment from some enterprising individual buying 100AU shirts and selling them to me for a few hundred. Those two new shirts I sold recently, but have kept the originals.

I am wondering if the system deducted those two I sold from my tally of how many Coats I am owed. And if that's the case, does this mean that someone else has been given my coats?

I have created a petition myself, but past petitions take 7+ days, so I don't expect to hear back for a while.

Edit: I am very pleased with the look of the coat and such. Definitely an acceptable replacement!

Yup, file petitions if you think you're missing something we did our best to make sure we had everyone covered:

CCP Navigator went over the eligibility criteria here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1690100#post1690100

An update for you all. With the reported info above I went off and spoke to the people who setup the redeeming. We made a very slight booboo in the initial redeeming offer in that the people who were supposed to get more than one coat to replace their shirts have only been sent one. This was entirely my fault for not being explicit enough in the instructions of what we need to do.

*hangs head in shame*

Good news is that as I'm typing this we're sending the affected players a new redeeming token for their remaining coats if they've already claimed the first one. If you've not claimed the redeeming token yet then we've updated the existing token to provide the correct number of coats.

Apologies for the **** up you may now commence the flaming!